April 16, 2018: Council-in-Committee Meeting

February 18, 2020


Mayor Redekop: Like to call this council and
community meeting to order. Madame Clerk the roll call please.
Madame Clerk: All members of council are present Your Worship with the exception of Councillors
Knutt and Lubberts. Mayor Redekop: Thank you. There are no announcements
this evening. There is an addendum. We have an addition to presentations and delegations
under infrastructure services. Richard Paterak will be speaking with respect to the Stedigal
Memorial Hall rental rate report. Are there any disclosures of pecuniary interest?
Mayor Redekop: On Clerk I have one with respect to IS12-2015 which is road resurfacing. My
son-in-law’s employed by Circle P Pavings, so I will not participate in that vote. Councillor
Butler. Councillor Butler: Thank you Your Worship.
I also have a conflict with the same item as we do business with Circle P Paving.
Mayor Redekop: Okay, are there any others? If none, then there are no public, there are
no notices of upcoming public meetings. There are no public meetings. We have a consent
agenda and I would request that IS12-2018 be dealt with separately, so for all intents
and purposes, why don’t we just deal with the first report which is PDS26, do I have
a mover? Councillor Passero, are there any questions or comments with respect to that
report? Mayor Redekop: Said a couple of questions.
Do we have a policy with respect to the size of our variances that we permit with respect
to already existing lots? Mayor Redekop: I notice that we were suggesting
that this is a nonmarketable piece of property because of its size and it’s outside the urban
boundary and do we have other, do we have any policies with respect to how large a parcel
we would permit to be developed? Councillor Butler: We do have policies in
our official plans when creating new lots. In terms of new lots, we want to make sure
they’re at least 1 acre in size. Sometimes, more likely one hectare in size is the ideal.
In terms of existing lots of record, there’s been a bit of shift in regional septic review.
Previously the minimum was about one acre, they would allow development to occur on.
More recently they’ve been allowing these hybrid systems, which are being developed
on smaller lot sizes. Councillor Butler: So, our standard is … The
comment in our report is, is relative to the fact, that previously it used to be based
on one acre. Now, again, we’ve been seeing some that are coming in quite a bit smaller
and they permit approvals for septic are being approved at the regional level.
Mayor Redekop: Regardless this is a relatively small parcel, I think you’ve said it’s a quarter
acre? Councillor Butler: That is correct, and what
we like to see is, try to get parcels as big as possible, obviously for any long term impacts,
and we prefer to use conventional systems, as the hybrid systems to require yearly maintenance
and things like that. Councillor Butler: So, we try to get them
as large as possible, if we can. Mayor Redekop: Thank you.
Mayor Redekop: Are there any other questions, or comments with respect to this report? If
not, all those in favour of the recommendations. None opposed, that is carried.
Mayor Redekop: Councillor Passero, I wonder if I can hand you the chair, with respect
to IS12, since Councillor Butler and I have a, oh wait a minute, yeah, Councillor Butler,
and I have a conflict. Infrastructure services, yes. Councillor Zanko.
Councillor Zanko: Ah, thank you. Councillor Zanko: Can I have a mover for report
IS12-2018? Councillor McDermott. Are there any questions or comments, with regard to
this report? See none, I will call the question. Councillor Zanko: All those in favour? That
carries. I’ll hand the chair back to you, Your Worship.
Mayor Redekop: Well Councillor Zanko, since we’re now at infrastructure services, how
about if I hand it back to you? Councillor Zanko: Sure, absolutely.
Mayor Redekop: Instead of bouncing this until we get it done.
Councillor Zanko: Thank you. Councillor Zanko: Infrastructure services
is now in session. We do have a presentation this evening. We have Kevin Shaw, Manager
of Building Science-Cion|Coulter. The report is with regard to facility condition assessment
study. Mr. Shaw, could you please come to the podium?
Councillor Zanko: Thank you. Could you turn his mic on?
Mayor Redekop: Of course. Councillor Zanko: Thanks.
Kevin Shaw: Great, so we are uh … I can just start? We’re perfect? Alright.
Kevin Shaw: We’re here to just give a brief summary of the program that we recently completely
on behalf of the town of Fort Erie, which was a series of building condition assessments
for a number of the municipal properties. Kevin Shaw: So, I’m just gonna tear through,
and show you … Down, perfect. Kevin Shaw: So, just as an introduction, the
objective of the BCAs was to review the buildings, and identify life cycle concerns, or deficiencies
with those buildings, and develop, help to develop an asset management strategy for the
various components of each of those facilities. An important step, obviously in guiding the
town to operational fiscally manage those facilities with the idea to keep them in a
good state of repair. Kevin Shaw: List of facilities was included
as reviewed, for the assessment showing that table, that included a number of arenas, Crystal
Ridge Arena, Crystal Ridge Community Centre, JL Gibson Centre, Town Hall, Stephenson Hall
and Library, Centennial Library, Crystal Ridge Library, Central Fire Station, Ridgeway Historical
Museum, GTR Museum, that’s next to it. The CNB One station, small museum, Leisureplex
Arena Complex, and a number of fire stations, number three, number four, number five, and
number six. Kevin Shaw: Overall methodology was to provide
an assessment, a complete review of the structural components, building envelope, what we [inaudible
00:06:02] the outside of the building. That’s your walls, windows, doors, and roofs. Interior
finishes within those facilities, fixtures or fixed furnishings within those buildings.
All the mechanical, electrical, life safety systems that serve those facilities, and site
work around them. Kevin Shaw: Number of applicable codes, and
guidelines were used in the preparation of the condition assessments, including general
components like Ontario Building Code, building code act, associated with that, the Occupational
Health and Safety Act, number of [inaudible 00:06:33] standards, and most importantly
too, ASTM standards. Kevin Shaw: The E2018-08 is the property condition
assessment standard, it’s a line document that provides a series of requirements, and
recommendations for conducting condition assessments. Followed by ASTM standard E1557, which is
the ASTM standard that refers to what we call, unit format. Which is a way of organizing
all the components in the building, into the report. So those are the two big guidelines
we did follow when conducting facility condition assessments, and when assembling reports.
Kevin Shaw: We were provided some background information on a number of the buildings that
we did inspect. That included a number of previous building condition assessment reports,
which were actually conducted by Trow back in 2006, so many of those facilities had a
study previously done, that documentation was provided to us, for our review, as part
of our overall process. Kevin Shaw: We also had the opportunity to
work with, and conduct interviews with Sean Hutton, and the manager of Parks and Facilities
here for the town. Kevin Shaw: As far as the team members go,
our Project Executive is our Director of Operations Evan Skolnick, project managers were, myself,
Kevin Shaw, Zack Salman one of our senior assessors, and a number of project coordinators,
including Assan Ali, and Claire Park. Kevin Shaw: In conducting the assessments,
and in preparing the reports we were giving a number of criteria to use for that. That
included what we call, the repair priority and costing, including condition ratings.
That was rated from excellent, and obviously very good, no defects, all the way to very
poor, meaning lots of issues, deficiencies noted, and immediate repairs required on the
horizon. Kevin Shaw: We also provided a priority rating
for those repairs. Essentially, numbered one to five. Number one being essential repairs,
definitely recommended, something to undertake. All the way to number five, which would be
a desirable repair, not necessarily something right now, but something that is good for
consideration. And all those categories considering energy rating as part of that process.
Kevin Shaw: Critical: refer immediate action. Potentially critical: next one in two years.
Priority three: not yet critical, talking next three to five years. Out beyond that
we’re in the five plus category. Kevin Shaw: We also, like I said, did take
into account, energy savings, it’s an important matter these days, for most of the facilities,
they’re looking for using that under their repair guidelines, to say, �Well if there’s
opportunities for energy savings, as part of those maintenance’s and repair programs,
then why not undertake them?� We provided some ratings listed from, again very poor,
as in potentially not going to be that successful, to excellent, meaning, yes an upgrade to this
kind of system could be very good on your energy savings.
Kevin Shaw: Report was then summarized, provided over a 20 year period, in terms of future
expenditures leading from 2018 forward to 20 years, for each of those facilities. Each
of those facilities had their own report, their own full spread sheet of all the components
that were reviewed, all the information regarding those components, including condition, all
the ratings that went with it, and then planned or estimated expenditures for the next 20
years, under each of those categories. That in turn, then was summarized, this is portion
of the table for the next 5 years, you get an idea on what we’re doing, in terms of the
15 properties that were done, and their locations, and there are the estimated expenditures,
like I said, for the first 5. This table extends out to a 20 year period as a total summary
of the overall project. Kevin Shaw: What we’re finding, obviously
is that it’s a mixed bag in terms of the facilities themselves. A building like the Central Fire
Station is practically brand new, built in 2012, and obviously does not have a lot of
expansion on the horizon beyond normal maintenance. Some of the older facilities, certainly the
Crystal Ridge Arena, Community Centre had a bit of work to do. The JL Gibson Centre
certainly has some upcoming work. On most of the buildings it’s a mixed variety. Some
roofing to be done, some exterior components, interior finishes, etc.
Kevin Shaw: Like I said, those are all laid out for each of those facilities, on individual
basis, and further summarized in this overall report.
Kevin Shaw: I think that’s basically what we have as far as the overall summary goes.
So I’m not sure if anybody had any questions on the process, or the outcome.
Madame Clerk: I thank you, Mr. Shaw. Madame Clerk: Does any member of council have
questions or comments, Councillor Butler? Councillor Butler: Thank you Madame Chair.
Councillor Butler: I just wondered if you could just explain a little more about what
exactly is needed for the Leisureplex, seeing that the fee structure is about 2.75, is-
Kevin Shaw: Mm-hmm (affirmative), yeah. So we have the main components that are coming
up there for the Leisureplex Arena facility, and that’s the big year we’re showing in the
next couple of years, are basically made up of two major components. One, roofing, so
the single ply roofing that covers, actually the two main arena parts of it, are coming
towards the end of their life expectancy, a little bit of work done in those areas,
some patch work, etc. So definitely something has to be kept a close eye on in the next
couple years. Again, just in terms of pinpoint accuracy, we’re always trying to place these
expenditures in reasonable time frames, in order to make sure you’re preparing for them.
It could fall a year or two here, either side, depending on overall maintenance and any other
issues as they’re coming up, that they might find, as the facility continues to age, but
roofing was one of the big ones. Kevin Shaw: The other big one in that category
are the two ice pads themselves. They contain the main freezing systems for the ice making
operations. So both of those are original, and are a full size arena, and you’re talking
when you replace that pad, is you’re talking about the entire piping system, and everything
that goes with it. Kevin Shaw: So that’s the next largest expenditure
that was in that category, again, in the next couple years.
Kevin Shaw: Out beyond either side of that, we got allowances ongoing for more as needed
kind of approaches when it comes to the overall interior finishes within the facility. We’ve
accounted for all the flooring, all the painting that goes with it, refurbishing, washings,
etc. and some of the ongoing categories for that building, then fall into that cycle,
over the next X many years. Councillor Butler: Thank you Madame Chair.
Councillor Butler: I just have a question with respect to, is there an opportunity also,
to take a look at the arena to make it viable to host events on a continual basis, as well?
Is that something that you can take into consideration, or?
Kevin Shaw: Well as far as the overall approach, so far, not from our end. We weren’t necessarily
given that as a mandate, as far as our condition assessment goes. Is that something that can
be looked at? Absolutely, and a lot of facilities looking at that, these days, which is trying
to make sure they’re maximizing the usage in any one of their facilities that you don’t
wanna feel that there’s gonna be empty time there, when it’s getting some lack of usage,
which obviously still costs you money to own that building, and keep it running.
Kevin Shaw: So, that’s definitely, yes an option in that category, a little like I said,
under the mandate that was done, that was purely a condition assessment on the facility
as exists. Madame Clerk: Anything further Councillor
Butler? Councillor Butler: No.
Madame Clerk: Okay. Madame Clerk: Do any other members of council
have any questions? Madame Clerk: Thank you very much, Mr. Shaw.
Kevin Shaw: You’re very welcome. Madame Clerk: Our next presentation is going
to be done by Richard Paterak, who’s the Chairman of the Beachcombers Seniors Club, and Mr.
Paterak’s presentation is with regard to report IS31-2018, Stevensville Memorial Hall rental
rate. Madame Clerk: Good evening, Mr. Paterak.
Richard Paterak: Thank you, members of Council and Your Worship, and thank you especially
for allowing me to speak on such short notice. Richard Paterak: I just have some brief notes,
I’m just gonna go through some quick points on the background of Pickleball, which is
our concern, we have playing Pickleball at our facility, at Beachcombers and it’s an
inadequate facility. Richard Paterak: Pickleball is played in singles
or doubles, with a maximum of four players on a court at the time. The Pickleball rates
quoted in the staff report, are for facilities with more than one court, two, three, or four
courts. Pickle rates quoted are for fully equipped, lined courts. Beachcombers will
provide their own equipment, lines are an undecided issue.
Richard Paterak: The ideal number of participants per court is 8-10. More players per court
is a very slow experience. Richard Paterak: Beachcombers background.
Beachcombers does not subsidize any activities. Each activity pays its own way. Beachcombers
currently pay, one dollar per activity to the club. Ideally Beachcombers want access
to at least two courts at a time, to make the organizational time, and opening and closing
worthwhile. Although the Beachcombers would be glad to have the use of Memorial Hall,
the real long term solution is multi-courts on the banquet floor at Crystal Ridge Community
Centre. Richard Paterak: Beachcomber financial suggestion.
Beachcombers propose to charge our members one dollars per time slot for Pickleball at
Memorial Hall, remitting 100% of those funds periodically to the town.
Richard Paterak: Beachcombers organizational management suggestion. To make it possible
for more participation, the Beachcombers would suggest, close communication with town staff,
other Memorial Hall bookings, with Beachcombers cancelling sessions to facilitate town revenue
opportunities. We would like access to the key pad code to open Memorial Hall without
occupying staff time. We will endeavour to schedule multiple sessions each week, geared
to ability. Richard Paterak: [inaudible 00:16:36] time
slot would leave us to filling it, because with 12 or more players attending it becomes
and unattractive outing. Currently we have 18 players, not all attending, all the time.
Multiple time slots will encourage participation. Richard Paterak: Beachcombers maintain their
own facility to a high standard, and will treat Memorial Hall in the same manner, dry
mopping the floor, etc. Richard Paterak: Town financial reality versus
benefit analysis. We understand the towns need to cover expenses. However, it is not
a big jump to realize that no matter how active we might become, at Memorial Hall, the funds
raised through Pickleball would be an exceedingly small dent in the approximately 60,000 dollar
budget to open the doors at Memorial Hall. Richard Paterak: Council should consider social
budget for such facilities. What do the town and community get through the usage of Memorial
Hall, beyond money? The garden club usage is certainly a positive for the town, and
community. The rental to community members for weddings and parties also has a social
value. The Hall remaining idle for hundreds of days a year, has no social value.
Richard Paterak: The Beachcombers will provide very good social value on a weekly basis,
until a more suitable facility can be realized. Richard Paterak: So we appreciate the fact
that staff have allowed us to test out the facility, and also, and we found it to be
more than adequate, and much better than our own facility. So we thank staff for that,
and staff for coming forward with this report. Richard Paterak: I’m here to answer any questions.
Madame Clerk: I thank you Mr. Paterak. Madame Clerk: Does any member of Council have
any questions or comments? Your Worship. Mayor Redekop: Yes, thank you.
Mayor Redekop: Thank you very much Mr. Paterak. I’m not sure that I got everything you were
trying to convey, so let me ask a few questions if I might. Right now you’re using the Hall,
periodically? Richard Paterak: No, we used it once to see
if it was feasible, and would meet our needs. We did that, staff allowed us in on one occasion,
and we had one session and everybody had a much better experience than they do at our
own facility. Mayor Redekop: Okay. Madame Chair if I might.
So how many courts can you get into the Stevensville Memorial Hall?
Richard Paterak: One. Mayor Redekop: Just the one? Hence, you’re
looking for a larger facility eventually. Richard Paterak: Eventually, but we could
meet our needs if we could come to some arrangement where we self-manage, and we come and go without
occupying, and using town resources. We may, or may not be able to schedule more sessions,
we’ll experiment with that, we’re getting inquiries every, just about every week, from
people wanting to play. Sometimes they come out for one shot at our place, but our exceeding
low ceiling is not attractive, and we don’t have much play area off the court, so it’s
actually dangerous. Mayor Redekop: Right. If I might Madame Chair.
Madame Clerk: Yes. Mayor Redekop: So, if we were to consider
your proposal, what does it look like? The town has some type of arrangement with you,
how then do you, would you, utilize the hall? Richard Paterak: We would schedule events,
on a regular basis, if the town were to get a booking request that interfered with our
schedule, we would ask them to let us know, with a good notice, 2 to 3 weeks in advance.
We would cancel our opportunity, because we’re … Each opportunity is gonna generate 10
or 12 dollars. You might have an opportunity to rent it for four to 600, I think, cause
weddings can be 700 dollars. Where we wouldn’t want to interfere with the town realizing
those opportunities, so we would just suspend our schedule when those rentals came along.
Mayor Redekop: So for the use of the building, you would put down your own lines, or how
would that work? Richard Paterak: Staff was suggesting that
when they redo the floor, they might incorporate a design, which would aide us in dropping
temporary, rubberized lines. We did use those rubberized lines when we were in the court
previously, we were intending to put some tape markings on the floor. I was lucky enough
to meet one of the staff members, whose name I don’t remember, Mr. Teal. Derick I guess
it is, and he, in his own personal possession, had a set of these rubberized lines, so we
used those. But because we had to measure where they went, took us over an hour to set
up for that. So that’s not a workable solution, so what staff was saying, was in the design
they would at least have some key markers that we would be able to identify, no one
else would really know what they were, and we would be able to drop down our rubber markers.
Mayor Redekop: Okay, and if I might Madame Chair.
Mayor Redekop: So, on any given day, you, according to your proposal would have a key
so you can gain access? Your use of the facility, would be known to the municipality because
you would have that continuing dialogue. So you show up with your group, or the group
shows up, you put down the lines, and then you-
Richard Paterak: We have a net that we assemble and put up.
Mayor Redekop: Then you play Pickleball. Richard Paterak: Yeah.
Mayor Redekop: And that could be for any length of time?
Richard Paterak: We usually, we’re not as spry as yourself perhaps, and-
Mayor Redekop: Thank you. Richard Paterak: And other members of Council.
We generally … Two hours, if you have 10 people, and you’re switching off, two hours
is plenty, it’s a good workout. Mayor Redekop: Right, and so then I think
you indicated you charge you members an hour … a dollar for the event, so if 10 come
out collect 10 bucks, that’s what you give the town?
Richard Paterak: We would be there every week with our [inaudible 00:22:57] we’d accumulate
it, and then … much like the garden club gives the town a donation, ours would be quantified
but it would be similar to a donation. We realize it doesn’t pay the rent.
Mayor Redekop: So, I’m not staff, but I’m thinking that staff is thinking, okay what
if there’s clean up, that needs to be done. But I’m thinking that there’s not a lot of
clean up. Richard Paterak: No, we don’t, even in our
own facility, we don’t allow winter shoes in our facility, we change our shoes when
we come to the door, and it would be the same routine at Memorial Hall. We would … when
we were there before there was a dry mop, and we dry mopped it, before we got on the
court, and if there was any mess, we’d clean up afterwards.
Mayor Redekop: Then you’re gone? Richard Paterak: Then we’re gone, and I understand
in the rear of the building there’s a keypad, so if we had the combination to that, we could
come and go. The one requirement we might have is, if we were using it regularly, we
might see if there was one cupboard in the kitchen that could be locked, where we could
put our net, and we wouldn’t have to travel back and forth for that.
Mayor Redekop: So is this the type of activity that maybe there should be a pilot project,
to see how it would work? Richard Paterak: Well I’d like to think so.
Pickleball is the fastest growing sport in North America right now. It’s doubling in
participation. Anybody that comes back from Florida, has been to a seniors complex, they’re
playing Pickleball. That’s where we’re getting our members. People are coming back from Florida,
they learned how to do it down there, it’s a fairly good aerobic workout and it’s fun.
The games are relatively short, so as opposed to if anybody has played badminton where the
score goes up to 15 or 16, we’re playing to 9. So the games turn over, I’m a wild man-
Mayor Redekop: That’s why the staff is concerned about you [inaudible 00:24:56] hall.
Richard Paterak: This fast turnover, and the games moves along, and you just about work
off your sweat and you get up again and do it again, and it’s quite a … I just started
playing myself, and we have all kinds of people, of all kinds of ability. I think we have some
people have come out, who would like to play a more competitive version, and that’s why
I say we might have other time slots. Mayor Redekop: Right. The ball that you use
is a regular tennis ball? Richard Paterak: No, no. No, it’s equivalent
of a whiffle ball. Plastic ball, with holes in it. So you can hit it very hard and it
doesn’t go as fast- Mayor Redekop: Right.
Richard Paterak: Its fast enough, but it doesn’t go as fast as a tennis ball would go.
Mayor Redekop: Okay. Thank you very much Madame Chair.
Madame Clerk: You’re welcome. Madame Clerk: Does any other members have
any questions or comments? Councillor Passero? Councillor Passero: Thank you Madame Chair,
thank you Richard for coming tonight. Councillor Passero: I just wanted to expand
on a point that you had raised, or a line that you had said in your presentation and
the Mayor touched upon it. One of the phrases that you used was come and go as you please
to the Hall. And I just wanna make sure that regardless of where this goes, that anything,
or any of your use will be booked through the town, so they know-
Richard Paterak: Mm-hmm (affirmative), there will be a schedule.
Councillor Passero: [crosstalk 00:26:17] coming, and what the time frame is.
Richard Paterak: But we wouldn’t require a staff person to drive out and open for us.
That’s what I meant. Councillor Passero: Okay.
Richard Paterak: We wouldn’t, if we wanted to have an additional session like, let’s
say we’re using in three times a week, we found that somebody wanted to use it on Sunday
morning, we would speak with the staff Sean, I assume it would be, and see if that was
possible. Councillor Passero: Okay.
Richard Paterak: And then go from there. But the more sessions we have, the more monies
we collect, the more money we give to you, and we have better, as I said, it’s all about
social usage, the building will be used, it won’t be sitting there. When we used it in
February, the first week of February, we were the first activity of the year. So, it had
gone four weeks without anybody being in there at all.
Councillor Passero: And I recognize it’s one of our lesser used facilities.
Richard Paterak: Yeah. Councillor Passero: But when it is used-
Councillor Passero: [crosstalk 00:27:16] Councillor Passero: Tables and chairs, and
a setup and a take down. So, I just wanna make sure that it’s coordinated because I’m
guessing with your set up, you don’t have any tables or chairs in the room, the room
has to be completely cleared. Richard Paterak: That’s the idea.
Councillor Passero: So, if there is something, the night before, or two nights before, we
do need staff to go in there and clear that room for you, which is where there is a staff
time component. Whether, or not that’s a week ahead of time, or two nights ahead of time,
somebody does have to go in and clean up those tables and chairs, and get the room ready
for your arrival. Richard Paterak: Off the floor, around the
edges it’s, sometimes, can be inconvenient to have stuff, but it’s a big room, it’s not
gonna be … interfere with play. When we were in there before, there were tables and
chairs around the edges, being older players the ball goes away sometimes, and we have
to go fetch it. Councillor Passero: Thank you for the clarification.
Councillor Passero: Thank you Madame Chair. Madame Clerk: Thank you.
Madame Clerk: Are there any other questions or comments?
Madame Clerk: Thank you very much, Mr. Paterak. Richard Paterak: Just in concluding, we have
also asked staff, we’re very happy to hear, within 2020 there will be two purpose built
Pickleball pads at Crystal Ridge Park. We’ve asked staff to paint additional lines, Pickleball
lines, which is done everywhere now, on the tennis courts, and we’ve been told that will
be done in a cycle of ordinary painting. I just leave you with the thought that we have
one player who’s 85, and tempus Fugit as you all know from your Latin studies is ‘time
flies’, when you get older, it actually disappears, and although you may still be healthy, your
ability to play after a certain age is probably gonna vanish. We have a half-life of how long
we’re gonna be able to do this. Richard Paterak: So, when we get things put
off for a year or two, that means that some people who are playing now won’t be playing
then. So we would just ask that Council have some consideration for that, that we don’t
wanna be demanding but at the same time we want to make better use of the facilities
that are there. We can assure you if the Lions Park courts are lined we will be out there
regularly, using that in the Summer season. Richard Paterak: That’s one of the other things
I was gonna mention, the Memorial Hall strategy will probably work for the Winter, but in
the Summer we’ll wanna be outdoors. Madame Clerk: Okay, thank you Mr. Paterak.
Madame Clerk: Staff are here this evening, obviously so I’m sure they’re listening to
your comments. Richard Paterak: Thank you very much.
Madame Clerk: Can I get a mover for report IS13-2018, addition of an hourly floor rental
rate, at Stevensville Memorial Hall, to the consolidated schedule of fees, and charges?
Madame Clerk: Councillor Passero? Wanna speak to that?
Councillor Passero: Thank you Madame Chair. Councillor Passero: So, I am in approval of
the recommendation that’s before us, because we do need to have something in our schedule
of fees and charges for an hourly rate, which we currently don’t have.
Councillor Passero: So, when it comes time to vote on that, I will be in favour, but
I’m wondering, through you Madame Chair, is now the time, or would it be under new business
to bring something forward, that would be specific to a pilot project, regarding Pickleball
and the Beachcombers? Madame Clerk: Your Worship?
Mayor Redekop: Yeah, what I’m thinking is, we could, what we could do is, defer the deliberation
on this report for a couple of weeks, to allow staff to have further dialogue with the Beachcombers,
to determine what that pilot project would look like, so that when we deal with it, say
in 2 weeks, we would have no only, staff recommendations, information relative to the further dialogue,
but then we would also have this report. So that we could deal with all of that, how we
might wish to proceed. Mayor Redekop: That’s how I’m thinking we
could deal with this. Madame Clerk: Did you wanna put that motion-
Mayor Redekop: Well, Councillor Passero has the floor.
Councillor Passero: I’m not opposed to that, I just don’t see the two being inextricably
linked, I think we need to have the $14 an hour, if that staff recommendation, for an
hourly rate. Could be Pickleball, could be badminton, could be somebody just wants to
have a summer camp inside. I think there needs to be an hourly rate. Pickleball, to me, given
the premise proposed by Mr. Paterak, I think is a separate issue involving staff times.
So I’m not opposed to putting this off for 2 weeks, but I’m still of the opinion when
it comes back, I’m looking at an hourly rate, for one, and something else for Pickleball
at the same time. Councillor Passero: I’m guessing, given the
pattern of history rentals for Stevensville, I don’t think anybody else will be rushing
our doors to get an hourly rate for Stevensville Hall, before then. So I’m fine to … I’ll
put that to the side of the floor, I’ll put a table in motion for it, for 2 weeks, if
we think that will give staff enough time. Could we hear from Mr. Hutton?
Madame Clerk: Mr. Hutton, would you mind just confirming if that would give you enough time?
Sean Hutton: Yes, I think that would certainly be sufficient time. We could meet with Mr.
Paterak and some of the Beachcombers again, and discuss an equitable rate for both of
us. Certainly. Councillor Passero: But I’m looking for a
rate, and the fees and charges schedule, which would be for everybody.
Sean Hutton: Certainly. Councillor Passero: And I hope in your conversations
with Pickleball will bear out some type of pilot project arrangement with Pickleball.
So two things. I’m personally not looking for the fees and schedule rate to come back
based on Pickleball, cause I think there’s gotta be something in there as a placeholder
that would apply for everybody, determinant on the wishes for Council. For me it’s a special
case scenario. Sean Hutton: Yes, through you, Chair. Absolutely
that’s our preference as well, is to set an hourly rate for any customer that may come
in off the street, but recognizing the fact that a recognized community group could be
held a little more responsible, and have a little more vested interest in the facility.
It would take us a little less staff time to organize and look after that event. I think
a reduced rate, is certainly in order. Councillor Passero: So I’d like to put that
forward, unless somebody else has a hand up for further questions. I’ll hold off on the
tabling motion so other people can speak. Madame Clerk: Okay, Mayor Redekop?
Mayor Redekop: Yes, that’s exactly what I’m looking at. How much latitude can [inaudible
00:33:49] provide to a recognized organization that has long standing presence in the community
for uses that will at least allow us to take advantage of a facility that frequently stays
empty, on the one hand. On the other hand establish some type of usage rate for other
potential users. So, that’s exactly the direction I think we should look.
Madame Clerk: Does any other members have any comments, before I go back to Councillor
Passero, for that motion? Madame Clerk: Okay, Councillor Passero.
Councillor Passero: Madame Chair, so I’d like put so fore that we postpone this for 2 weeks.
Bring it back at our next counselling committee meeting.
Madame Clerk: Okay, all those in favour. That carries.
Madame Clerk: Our next report is IS14-2018 it’s the 2017 Facility Condition Assessment
Study. Can I get a mover? Councillor Butler. Madame Clerk: Does any member of Council have
any questions or comments, Councillor Butler, and then Mayor Redekop.
Councillor Butler: Thank you Madame Chair. Councillor Butler: I just wondered if staff
could comment if there’s an opportunity to find out if there could be a cost included,
since there’s gonna be renovations scheduled for the Leisureplex. If there’s an opportunity
to look at it, to implement changes to hold concerts and events of that nature, within
that facility, and what that cost would be. Is there an opportunity to do that?
Madame Clerk: Mr. Walsh did you wanna answer that question?
Kelly Walsh: Yes, Madame Chair. Kelly Walsh: I believe there already is that
opportunity, the JLass in there is not easily removable, but removable non the less. As
is done at a number of arenas, it can be converted with a day�s notice, or within a day to
different configurations. Councillor Butler: If I may?
Councillor Butler: I’m speaking I guess more about the acoustics that are in there, because
the quality for sound bouncing off of the walls in there, aren’t that great, so if there’s
an opportunity to get someone in with some expertise to see what that cost would entail
to enhance it a bit more, would that be possible? Kelly Walsh: That’s certainly possible. You’re
talking about hiring an acoustical engineer. There’s studies that can be undertaken. We
can include a small project like that in next year’s budget.
Madame Clerk: Anything further, Councillor Butler?
Councillor Butler: No. Madame Clerk: Does any other members of Council
have any questions or comments? Madame Clerk: Mayor Redekop?
Mayor Redekop: Yeah, just a follow-up on that, when one looks at the appendix to the a … or
the cost summary table at the end of the little snippet of the report. One finds that 37%
of the infrastructure or the Capitol facilities maintenance cost over the next 20 years, are
related specifically, and solely to the Leisureplex, that would be the arena and the banquet hall
I presume. Which means that, excuse me, we should be looking at ways that we can generate
more income, because those are … That’s over 9 million dollars for that one facility,
which plays a very large presence in our community, but we could make even better use of it I
think. Mayor Redekop: So, I think we need to look
at that. On a broader scale there are four facilities in this community. The Lesisureplex,
Town Hall, the Crystal Ridge Arena, JL Gibson Centre, that account for almost 70% of these
capital facilities cost. Throw in the Crystal Ridge Community Centre, you’re over 70% you’re
close to 75%. Two of those, Crystal Ridge and the Leisureplex are potential revenue
generators beyond their current capacity. Mayor Redekop: So, I think we really need
to be looking at that, and I would suggest for the next, for the 2019 budget, we maybe
should be contemplating even having someone allocated to trying to generate more use of
those facilities. Just to generate more income, so that we can cover this.
Mayor Redekop: I think it’s an excellent report, I’m much happier with this report than some
reports that we’ve received in the past, with respect to infrastructure. I think this gives
us a very solid direction where we’re going. We know where we stand in terms of what we’re
allocating now. We know where we’re short, but this gives us a great direction. Staff
has provided us with good recommendations. The efforts that our staff have been involved
in over the last couple of years, in terms of seeking grants and other sources of revenue
to assist us with these types of facility maintenance, and cost. I think are very encouraging
and very important. Mayor Redekop: So, I support the report, but
I think we need to focus on trying to generate more revenue, with respect to those facilities
that we have, that can because of the cost that they’re putting this community to. Mind
you, they’re getting fantastic use, but there could be better use. We have lots of ice time
there that, where the arena sits, the Leisureplex pads sit empty. We need to generate more there.
Mayor Redekop: The potential for concerts, or larger events, it’s a great facility, and
I think it would be very conducive to that, and there have been some events. And as we
know, every year for the last 2 years plus this year coming up, there will be a large
event that will take place there, and that facility really suits that type of thing very
well. Mayor Redekop: So, thank you to the staff,
thank you to the consultant that did this, I’m quite pleased with that report.
Madame Clerk: Are there any other comments or questions? Councillor Passero?
Councillor Passero: Thank you, Madame Chair. Councillor Passero: Just on those points,
I completely agree with Councillor Butler. It’s amazing what we’ve been able to do, with
Party on the Patio, it is a challenge, and it’s not something that anybody else would
be willing to go through, if they were renting the facility for that type of purpose, it’s
just not feasible. We recognize the limitations, people know it’s a fundraiser, they tolerate
it. If you’re looking to do a for-profit concert in there, it’s just not possible at this point
and time. Councillor Passero: The banquet hall I would
throw that into the mix as well, it’s very poor acoustics, it was state of the art as
far as its design 20 plus years ago, but no longer really the facility that people look
to if they’re going to have a wedding reception, or something like that in town.
Councillor Passero: If I could Madame Chair, because I did get a couple phone calls about
this over the weekend, as to why my favourite facility, the Kinsmen Pool was not on the
list of facilities being studied, and I just wanna say publicly that Council, thankfully,
is going down a path to pursue eventual replacement of the pool. So it was deemed not necessary
to include it in this study. Councillor Passero: We have had facility studies
done on the pool in the past, 2007, 2011 was not necessary … We know it’s not getting
any better, so to invest anymore time or resources to study that one to death, just wasn’t worth
it. Councillor Passero: So, we are proceeding
down that path, and in the very near future I know that PDS Staff are bringing for it,
next steps for the Kinsmen Pool Replacement Project. So just if anybody is curious and
they read the report, I did get two phone calls, that’s why it’s not on there, we haven’t
forgotten about it, it’s the exact opposite. We didn’t need to do it, because we know where
we’re going, at least what path we’re going down, for replacement.
Councillor Passero: Thank you, Madame Chair. Madame Clerk: Thank you.
Madame Clerk: Are there any other comments? I just have one comment, I wanted to say that
I found the report extremely helpful, and just wanted to give some things to Mr. Hutton,
because I know he spent a great deal of time, and effort on this project, so thank you very
much. Madame Clerk: I will call the question, all
those in favour? That carries. Madame Clerk: Are there any items of new business?
Mayor Redekop? Mayor Redekop: Just wonder if we could call
on the Director of Infrastructure Services or the CEO, just to give a little bit of background
of what the protocol is, in this community, when we have a rain event, when there’s potential
drainage issues, flooding because that comes up periodically, I’m not sure that the residents
understand the work that is done to monitor what’s going on, both through our public works,
and through even the fire service. Madame Clerk: Mr. Walsh?
Kelly Walsh: Thank you, Madame Chair. Kelly Walsh: There’s a number of things we
do undertake directly from the storm water. We continuously monitor our catch basins to
make sure they’re not plugged, and when we do find a flooding issue, probably 3/4 of
the time that’s the issue, is simply a plugged catch basins. So, we’ll rake the leaves, or
the debris off it. Kelly Walsh: I’d like to note that on my drive
around town early this morning, the Thunder Bay area was in great condition. We’ve spent
a ton of money in there, on storm water alleviation lately, and it seems to be working. There’s
still a couple of improvements to undertake, but I didn’t see any house flooding in Thunder
Bay. The ditches were working, they were full. Kelly Walsh: The other big project we’ve undertaken
recently is the [inaudible 00:43:30] Stonemill Municipal drain. It was up to the top today,
but I didn’t see any over land flooding again, as a result of that. So that’s working, exactly.
Kelly Walsh: As Council and the public are aware, we have a very large in-flow and infiltration
issue with our sanitary sewers. We get direct, and timely information from the region with
respect to the condition of the pumping stations, and how much in-flow is being directed to
them. When conditions reach a critical level, we undertake pumping to the environment, so
as not to flood people’s basements with sanitary sewage.
Kelly Walsh: There is the opportunity once in a while, to throw a pump into a ditch,
if all else fails, and try and direct the water elsewhere, but usually when we’re at
that stage of a storm, the pump really won’t do much good, but it may help in the long
run. Kelly Walsh: So, monitoring is the biggest
key for us. Madame Clerk: Your Worship?
Mayor Redekop: No, that’s great, thank you. Madame Clerk: Thank you. I wonder if maybe,
it’s a really good point that you had, Your Worship, and I’m wondering if maybe we could
have something on Facebook to that affect. Especially with clearing of the catch basins,
some people may not necessarily know that. Mayor Redekop: I did speak to Mr. Kuchyt about
the possibility of us getting something on the web, and on Facebook is an excellent idea,
because people check that. There are some things that residents can do, particularly
if they notice that there’s a plugged culvert, or plugged sewer drain, storm sewer drain,
they could contact the town. Madame Clerk: Are there any other items of
new business, or inquiries? Madame Clerk: Okay, none.
Madame Clerk: Does any member of Council have any questions, regarding the business status
report? Madame Clerk: I will turn the chair back to
you, Your Worship. Mayor Redekop: Thank you very much Councillor
Zanko. Mayor Redekop: That takes us to Planning and
Development Services. Councillor McDermott. Councillor Passero: Myself.
Mayor Redekop: Your Planning and Development? Councillor Passero: Yep.
Mayor Redekop: Councillor Knutt is? Councillor Passero: Corporate.
Mayor Redekop: And he’s corporate. Councillor Passero: That’ll be George [inaudible
00:45:50]. Mayor Redekop: Okay, you guys should update
the program I lost mine. Councillor Passero, Planning and Development Services.
Councillor Passero: I’ll make it brief. No contentious developments tonight, it’s nice.
Planning and Development Services is now in session. No presentations or delegations,
no reports, thank you Ms. Dolch. Councillor Passero: Any comments or questions
under new business or inquiries? Councillor Passero: Councillor Zanko, then
Councillor Butler. Councillor Zanko: Thank you. This question
actually, I did speak with Ms. Dolch about this, it’s more to the clerk. I’ve recently
been in contact by some students from Garrison Road’s school, and a few teachers, that have
some concern about animal control. I did bring this to Ms. Dolch’s attention, she suggested
that I speak to the SPCA, which I did speak to the SPCA. One of the concerns were, regarding
keeping animals outside during Winter, in the extreme cold temperatures. I think there’s
some confusion, some of the students think that there’s no bylaw in that regard, which
I did confirm with the SPCA, it’s false. There is bylaws, and Winter control measures that
protect animals. Animals can be kept outside, providing there’s adequate shelter.
Councillor Zanko: One of the things that did come up through my conversation with Wendy,
at the SPCA, was that we were in the process of creating an additional bylaw to protect
animals from being kept in vehicles during the Summer, and to provide some control mechanisms
to our local SPCA, allowing them to make rescue. Councillor Zanko: She did mention that this
was something that was being handled by Ms. Bubanko, in the past. And I just wondered
if Ms. Schofield could perhaps look into that manner, and possibly bring it back to Council
so we have something in place for the summer months.
Councillor Passero: Madame Clerk. Madame Clerk: If I may, through you, through
the chair. Madame Clerk: As my recollection is that Ms.
Bubanko was involved in some amendments to that bylaw, that was in conjunction with Jeff
Stevenson bylaw enforcement. Her involvement would’ve been from the point of view of assisting
with the language in it, but not necessarily driving it, if I can put it that way.
Madame Clerk: Certainly the Clerk’s Office is prepared and helpful, in that regard, we
could possibly talk to Jeff Stevenson and see where … I can look back and see what
I can find, to see what happened with it, and where we’re going.
Councillor Zanko: Excellent, that would be great. I just think as the Summer months are
approaching, it’s now the time to drive that, so if you could, that would be wonderful.
Councillor Passero: Thank you Councillor Zanko. Councillor Passero: Councillor Butler.
Councillor Butler: Thank you Mr. Chair. Councillor Butler: I was just wondering, I
did have some email correspondence with the Planning Department, with respect to some
situations that were occurring, on Prospect Point Road and Dominion Road, with the Mountainview
Developer and some of the subcontractors, with respect to heavy trucks travelling in
a zone that shouldn’t be happening. Councillor Butler: I just wondered if there
was a follow-up with respect to that? Councillor Passero: Ms. Dolch?
Kira Dolch: Through you, to the Councillor. Kira Dolch: We did send an email out, to both
developers, advising them they shouldn’t use main thoroughfares, and that there was weight
restrictions on Prospect Point Road, the north side, north of Dominion, and that they should
be using Dominion Road, and Ridgeway Road as a point of entrance to the construction
sites. Councillor Passero: Thank you. Mr. Walsh.
Kelly Walsh: Further to that. We’ve contacted the MTO on the issue, as it is a weight restriction
issue. Without scales present, they really can’t do anything.
Councillor Passero: Councillor Butler. Councillor Butler: I did have a follow-up
question, it’s just escaped me, but in the meantime I will as this question then. Will
the Planning Department be monitoring the situation, and reporting back?
Kira Dolch: Through you to the Councillor. Kira Dolch: We will follow-up with both developers,
to make sure they’ve communicated that with the contractors, the site supers out there.
Councillor Butler: Thank you very much. Councillor Passero: Thank you Councillor Butler.
Councillor Passero: Anything further? Seeing none. Comments or questions for the business
status reports? Seeing none. I’ll turn the chair back to Mayor Redekop.
Mayor Redekop: Thank you very much Councillor Passero.
Mayor Redekop: That takes us to Corporate and Community Services, Councillor McDermott.
Councillor McDermott: This should be interesting today. My voice is gone. I’ll need a … There’s
no presentations, and delegations. I need a mover for COS01-2018 use of Corporates resources
for election purposes policy, bylaw number 80-10.
Councillor McDermott: Councillor Butler. Councillor McDermott: Your Worship.
Mayor Redekop: I have several. Mayor Redekop: Thursday night at The Region.
Regional Council approved a report that shifted multi-residential tax burden to, and some
commercial tax burden to residential property owners. Town of Fort Erie, Town of Lincoln,
maybe Welland were adversely affected by that, and-
Councillor McDermott: Your Worship. Mayor Redekop: Sorry.
Councillor McDermott: We’re on the first report. Councillor McDermott: I’ll come back to you
on that one though. Mayor Redekop: Okay, fair enough.
Mayor Redekop: [inaudible 00:51:35] Mayor Redekop: I was working my way up to
it. Councillor McDermott: So we’ll go back to
COS01-2018, any comments or questions? Councillor McDermott: CS06-2018 Niagara Regional
Housing Property Tax Exemption Analysis. Councillor Butler. Your Worship.
Mayor Redekop: Okay, so where I left off. So part of the problem is that the rationale
was that would assist in making multi-residential units more affordable. Which, can’t argue
with that. The difficulty is it makes owning your home less affordable, and this particular
report, again, is going to hit the town of Fort Erie, residential property owners, again.
Mayor Redekop: I’ve got a number of questions that I have taken up with Mr. Janzen. I’d
like to get the answers with respect to some of these. The first question, if I might Mr.
Chair, is have any other municipalities, to date, approved any of the scenarios, recommended
by there, or put forth by the region on this issue?
Councillor McDermott: Mr. Janzen. Jonathan Janzen: When I checked at the time
of preparing the report, I believe approximately 3/4 of the municipalities had endorsed some
form of, or at least one of the scenarios in the regional report with a couple of variations
as noted in the alternatives of my report. St. Catherine’s did approve scenario five,
with some specifics of phasing out the grant. Welland did not support at this time, and
rather asked for a white paper for more details, but most of the others I think were scenario
five as recommended here. Mayor Redekop: Well, it’s not hard to see
why at least three of the municipalities would be favourable, because it has absolutely no
impact on their tax situation, their tax rate. Some are lower than ours, some are higher,
but if one looks at who has the housing. We have, because we have some public housing,
it’s gonna cost us $91,000.00. Once a grant, if a grant is implemented to help to cushion
the increase, is eliminated. Mayor Redekop: So, that’s 0.41% of our tax
levy. Which means that … and it will be spread across, as I understand it, Mr. Janzen,
it will be spread across all of the tax classes, but again, it’s another additional tax burden,
that the residents will have to bear. Which, makes it more, a difficult for people to continue
to stay in their home. This has been going on now for 20 years. I’m sympathetic to affordable
housing. I’m sympathetic to the construction of multi-residential buildings because we
haven’t had one in this community for 20 years, at least a high rise. Maybe over 20 years.
Mayor Redekop: I find it difficult, and challenging that we would be contemplating making one
level of housing, in this case public housing, more affordable, more available, and yet,
again, once again, it seems to be that the home owners are the ones who are paying the
brunt of that cost. All of the people, as the report points out, all of the individuals
who occupy public housing, are taking full advantage of the services that the municipality
provides, so them not paying taxes, is an anomaly, and if there’s good public policy
reason for doing that, I understand that. Mayor Redekop: Some people may say this is
good public policy, and maybe it is good public policy. It’s not good public policy to keep
piling on the owners of single family dwellings. It’s not sustainable, I don’t know why one
of the other scenarios might be considered, or why the region simply wouldn’t, in my view,
utilize some of the money that keeps being downloaded, and rather than find a new program
to spend it on, simply allocate it to public housing. They could do that, and over the
last 10 years there’s been a lot of the reversal of the uploading that was done, in the old
days where municipalities had to take on responsibilities that the provinces were downloading.
Mayor Redekop: Now they’re downloading money. Which means there’s more money available.
Yes the region can maintain its budgets at 1%, because they’re getting all this additional
money from the province. Mayor Redekop: I’m conflicted on this, with
respect to the policy issue itself, but as I said, I did have some other questions, and
if I might Mr. Chair, to Mr. Janzen, with respect to this, is there a rationale from
your perspective, for justifying the shift of burden to the other classes, in particular
to the single family residences? Jonathan Janzen: Through the Chair to Mayor
Redekop, the one thing that this recommended scenario does allow, is for the region to
take full advantage of the education portion that the Niagara Regional Housing properties
would otherwise be paying. So, that is the source of this scenario of the transfer unless
of course that the grant that is being proposed is in some way, reduced overtime. The regional
report says that the grant from the region to the municipalities to nearly eliminate
the impact on the lower tiers could be phased out over time, so there’s no indication of
when it might be if they were seeking some guidance on that issue, and the report didn’t
recommend any phasing out. Jonathan Janzen: If that phase out were to
occur, then in the case of Fort Erie, it would be approximately $100,000.00 born by other
classes. So, that would be the rationale, is that the education, or the province in
this case, is really bearing the additional burden to allow more monies to go to the Niagara
Regional Housing. Mayor Redekop: So in essence, the region is
utilizing the education portion of the tax bill that the regional housing would be saving,
and then simply distributing that among the various municipalities, and those savings,
with respect to the education portion of the tax bill, if public housing is exempt from
taxes, that savings goes on, indefinitely? So that if the region, and there’s no, absolutely
no guarantee that the region won’t at some point, terminate those grants, then that’s
additional money to regional housing, and our tax payers have to pick up the difference.
We do have public housing in town, that’s for sure, but it will then be paid for by
the tax portion would be paid for by the other tax payers.
Mayor Redekop: I’m not gonna support this, Mr. Chair. I just … the meeting last week
was a bit of a fiasco how we got to where we got, which was where we started, and it
ends up with the town of Fort Erie residential tax payers picking up, I think it’s about
a third of a point, at each point. But not paying the third of a point is A-Okay if you
are paying it, that means it just another $6, or … I can’t recall the exact amount,
but it was another portion that the residential tax payer has to pick up, and so our objective
of affordable housing means, it’s not affordable. Mayor Redekop: We’re endeavouring to find
ways that we can make housing more affordable, and I think that we should be looking at it
right across the board, not just multi-residential but definitely as well the people who own
homes. Whether that’s looking at policies that we’ve been contemplating hoping to get
a report from Ms. Dolch on relative to the things that we can do, and maybe she can dwell
upon some of the concerns that have been expressed with respect to, how do we look at this in
a, on a broader basis, so that we’re not taking from one aspect of housing, to finance the
affordability of another aspect. Mayor Redekop: I’m not gonna support these
recommendations, I know which way the wind is blowing on this when you get to the region,
but I’m not gonna support this. Councillor McDermott: Thank you, Your Worship.
Any other comments or questions? Councillor McDermott: Councillor Passero.
Councillor Passero: Thank you Mr. Chair. Councillor Passero: I’m of the same mindset.
Affordable housing doesn’t just mean subsidized housing, and we hear, every year at budget
time from a number of people, across all different income levels, that they’re teetering on the
brink of not being able to afford the homes that they’re in, given the taxes that we’re
levying on to them. It’s one of the reasons why we’ve been so aggressive during this term
of Council, to further developments in the community, specifically infield development
to take advantage of the infrastructure that’s already there.
Councillor Passero: I can’t tell you how many people call me and they say, especially at
budget time, cause that’s when the numbers come out, and the tax bills start arriving.
“I can not believe that you’re raising my taxes, again, and while I have you on the
phone, if you have another 30 seconds I really don’t want that new subdivision, that’s targeted
for a couple streets away.” Well you have to pick one, because we can’t do it all with
the money that we have coming in. To me this is really just a shell game of taking out
of one pocket putting it into another, and you’re really not advancing either one of
those groups. You’re taking away from one, and you’re really not giving enough to further
the second one ahead, anyways, so what is the point.
Councillor Passero: I agree with the concept, there needs to be a much deeper dive into
this. This looks good on paper, depending on what municipality you’re in, not so much
for us, but on a broader scale if you want to come out of the region and say, look at
what we’re doing for those people in our society that are suffering. It’s not just people in
subsidized housing, it’s people across all forms of housing, given the taxes that we’re
having to levy on them to pay for the services that we require to operate in this day and
age. Councillor Passero: So, I don’t support this
either, I did watch the entire Regional Council meeting that the Mayor is referring to. To
me it was just another example of how parochialism at the region runs amuck sometimes, because
the ones who had no stake in this game and were not going to feel any effects really
couldn’t have cared less, but those of us who feel the burden and will have to pass
that burden on to our residents, we know what it’s like because we get the calls. Something
like this you can’t do as a one size fits all approach, because one size doesn’t fit
all, and I definitely won’t support this approach. Councillor McDermott: Any further comments
or questions? Councillor McDermott: Jonathan.
Jonathan Janzen: Just to defend my chair. So in not choosing to support scenario five
as recommended in the report, the alternative is supporting scenario one which is the status
quo, as outlined in the report. Jonathan Janzen: So, Council may consider
wording as such. Councillor McDermott: Your Worship.
Mayor Redekop: Mr. Chair, I’ll move subject to the clerk’s agreement this can be done,
that we amend the second recommendation to read scenario one as opposed to scenario five.
Madame Clerk: Yes, Your Worship. Councillor McDermott: Any questions or comments
on the amendment? Councillor McDermott: So we’ll vote on the-
Councillor McDermott: Jonathan? Jonathan Janzen: Sorry, thank you Chair. Just
one more point of clarification, on scenario five, is that in terms of the amounts that
were discussed, if scenario five is supported by the region, and the grant is given indefinitely
then the impact to the municipality is quite small. I don’t have the number here in front
of me, but it’s a minor point of a percent on the tax payer. The risk with that one is,
is the reference to the fact that the grants may be removed.
Jonathan Janzen: So I just sort of wanna clarify that aspect of it.
Councillor McDermott: Your Worship? Mayor Redekop: Yeah, I’m fully aware of that,
and I’m really not prepared to run the risk. Some of you may have watched the preceding,
I live through them. Believe me I’m not prepared to run the risk that those grants would continue
for any indefinite period of time. I just don’t think that’s gonna happen.
Councillor McDermott: Councillor Passero? Councillor Passero: In the same vein, we’ve
had some misfortune the last 18 months of grants that were already in place, having
the rug pulled out from underneath them, and fighting to hang on. So I have no faith whatsoever,
in the region, to continue these grants based, any longer than a point in time that they’ve
gotten their optics and publicity, and positively out of the newspaper columns.
Councillor McDermott: Are there any more questions with regards to the amendment? Seeing none.
All in favour? On the amendment, yeah. Opposed? Any? So we’ll vote on this now as the amended
portion. All in favour? Carry. Councillor McDermott: Are there any questions
about, or is there any new business for corporate? Councillor McDermott: Councillor Butler.
Councillor Butler: Thank you Mr. Chair. Councillor Butler: I wonder if I could ask
a question of Mr. Janzen, with respect to the BIAs, and how they’re currently hosting
events at each of the location. Is there a possibility, or maybe this goes to Mr. Kuchyt,
I’m not sure Mr. Chair, but is there a possibility to remove that portion of their responsibility,
it’s not mandated as far as I can tell, that they need to have a [inaudible 01:07:05] but
is there a possibility of bringing that in house and having a festival coordinator in
house at the town, that would, similar to what the city of Port Colborne does with Canal
Days, but have someone in house that could actually have those festivals or events coordinated
throughout the town, and take care of it internally? Councillor McDermott: Mr. Kuchyt?
Tom Kuchyt: Through you Chair, to the Councillor. Tom Kuchyt: That’s been talked about in the
past as well, it’s something that we’ve looked at when we did the [inaudible 01:07:34] review.
We have a community liaison person, Mr. Stouffer who looks after business licence, and coordinates
special events. I think we’re at the stage now where that responsibility needs to be
expanded, and I think at this point we should be looking at that, and moving forward, and
probably in the 2019 budget, putting forward some costs to have a person to coordinate
special events. Councillor Butler: Thank you.
Councillor McDermott: Anything further? Councillor McDermott: Any questions-
Councillor McDermott: Oh, go ahead. Councillor McDermott: Your Worship.
Mayor Redekop: Yeah, we’re still under new business inquiries?
Councillor McDermott: Yes. Mayor Redekop: So, about three weeks ago,
two weeks ago, there was an announcement about a large sum of money that was being allocated
to public transit in Niagara 148 million dollars over a certain period of time. There was a
listing at one point, that I saw, that showed the region getting umpteen million, St. Catherine’s
etc. I’m just wondering whether our Director of Finance has any insight into why there
would be such discrepancies, or if you had some information relative to how that program
would roll out? Councillor McDermott: Mr. Janzen.
Jonathan Janzen: Through the Chair, to Mayor Redekop.
Jonathan Janzen: We are in much the same position in terms of lack of information at this point.
We have yet to receive anything formal to announce those programs. So we’re not really
in a position to comment too specifically on what’s been said in the media. I have reached
out to a couple other counterparts to see if there’s any other information they might
have. But certainly I think in last we checked with the Director of Infrastructure and the
CIO, the town has not received anything. Mayor Redekop: Nice pictures though. So I
take it when information does come forward, it will be circulated to members of council?
Jonathan Janzen: Yep. Mayor Redekop: Thank you.
Councillor McDermott: Anything further? Councillor McDermott: Back to you, Your Worship.
Mayor Redekop: Thank you very much, business status report.
Councillor McDermott: Oh yeah, sorry. Councillor McDermott: Business status report,
anybody? Councillor McDermott: Back to you.
Mayor Redekop: Thank you very much, Councillor McDermott.
Mayor Redekop: Are there any meetings that anyone wishes to announce as coming up?
Mayor Redekop: Councillor Passero? Councillor Passero: Thank you, Mayor Redekop.
Councillor Passero: [inaudible 01:09:54] active transportation is meeting here at town hall
tomorrow, committee room number one at 5pm, and just a quick note, that this Thursday,
we heard a delegation last week from Ann McLaughlin in honour of Margaret Fever, the art auction
for Fort Erie Public Library system is happening, along with the Ridgeway Lions pasta night,
at Crystal Ridge. As a proud past president of the Chamber of Commerce, looking forward
to our annual general meeting, this Thursday night as well. So hope to see many of my colleagues
there. Mayor Redekop: Yeah, I believe that art activity
is Wednesday 5 to 8pm at Crystal Ridge. Mayor Redekop: Are there any other meetings?
Mayor Redekop: Sorry, Thursday April 19th, right.
Mayor Redekop: Right. I think you’ve got that. Mayor Redekop: If there are no others can
I have a motion to adjourn? Mayor Redekop: Councillor Zanko.
Mayor Redekop: All those in favour? It is unanimous, thank you.

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